tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post2913632517984075143..comments2024-02-16T08:24:02.879+00:00Comments on Speed Endurance Swimming Blog: French Olympic TrialsSpeed Endurancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14365062789141117207noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-71038544678307048072012-03-25T14:15:19.012+01:002012-03-25T14:15:19.012+01:00That is smart of the French selectors.That is smart of the French selectors.aswimfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-47467622571276070722012-03-25T11:18:32.295+01:002012-03-25T11:18:32.295+01:00stravius will be going to london to swim the 800 f...stravius will be going to london to swim the 800 free relay and meynard will be in the 400 free relay . that is good newsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-15195954062992706022012-03-25T00:36:32.494+00:002012-03-25T00:36:32.494+00:00The beneficiary of w400 IM in Shanghai was Beisel....The beneficiary of w400 IM in Shanghai was Beisel. The other contenders such as Rice, Miley and Shiwen already swam few races before (with Rice even swimming 200 fly!).<br />Beisel I think either only sewam that 400 Im or 200 back before.<br /><br />This time around Rice won't be swimming 200 fly, but she might swim 4x200 free.aswimfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-81391442795825719312012-03-24T16:21:05.886+00:002012-03-24T16:21:05.886+00:00That was my point,
I know that the Aussies should ...That was my point,<br />I know that the Aussies should improve between now and the Olympics, and judging from where France is now, even with the expected improvements in the next 4 months, I think the best time they coudl put together would be a time the Aussie team could post this minute.<br />Therefore, I dont think France will win this year.<br /><br />THe w400free was weird last year, there were so many underwhelming swims in that race. The opportunity was funny open for a dark horse like Palmer or even Friis to step up, but that did not happen.<br /><br />Also an issue is the time the race takes place in the program. At World Championships, the 400IM is usually relatively slow because its at the end of the program and its not uncommon for people to post slower times than earlier in the year.john26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-61460076590863862482012-03-24T11:13:48.136+00:002012-03-24T11:13:48.136+00:00oh ok.
That makes much more sense.
Yes, some (may...oh ok.<br />That makes much more sense.<br /><br />Yes, some (maybe most) swimmers from countries with early trials (AUS, GBR, FRA) will get faster come summer/london, however, some WILL inexplicably be slower.<br /><br />Example:<br />Last year, ALL AUS men's sprinters were faster (in relays) in Shanghai than in their trials. So if the France sprinters can get faster in London, wouldn't that also apply to Australian swimmers as well?<br /><br />However, there are also swimmers who usually swam slower in the summer. inexplicably.<br />And many of them are women middle distance. <br />Last year, Barrat, Palmer, Adlington, Muffat, Carlin, etc were faster in the 400 at earlier meets. They all swam slower in Shanghai.<br />Interesting, right?aswimfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-32474142617019687902012-03-24T01:31:31.880+00:002012-03-24T01:31:31.880+00:00Alright,
What I meant is that they weren't in...Alright, <br />What I meant is that they weren't in peak form. From their trials to WC last summer, Meynard dropped almost 0.6 of a second, Bernard dropped about 0.3, Gilot dropped 0.2(he probably was in shape for a bigger one), Stravius too... etc<br /><br />Obviously, they were "tapered" for the meet, but swimmers reserve certain training for the lead up to the Olympics. If they had that extra "everything" for these trials, there would be no way they could hold form for the Olympics. Thats the advantage of having trials so early. This extra training is different for each swimmer, depending on their strengths. IE. Magnussen is going to improve his front end speed in the next 4 months, and we'll most likely see him drop time-- As we will see from the French. That is what I mean.john26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-44739976599137013652012-03-23T23:25:06.171+00:002012-03-23T23:25:06.171+00:00I don't buy it as well. All were taperedI don't buy it as well. All were taperedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-40131164034059738552012-03-23T23:12:46.778+00:002012-03-23T23:12:46.778+00:00Team France were not fully tapered for their trial...Team France were not fully tapered for their trials when they had such stringent and convoluted heats, semis and final qualifying times and such great depth in the mens sprint?<br /><br />So Alain Bernard though he could have won a individual spot in the team not fully tapered? ditto with Agnel, Bosquet, Maynard, etc?<br /><br />Somehow I don't buy it.<br /><br />Even Magnussen who is so much more dominant was fully tapered for Oz trials.aswimfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-91160393744830681372012-03-23T15:57:28.982+00:002012-03-23T15:57:28.982+00:00By best case scenario, I mean Team France when ful...By best case scenario, I mean Team France when fully tapered could match Team Australia if they had swum the relay with the team members that produced this past week at their current preparation.john26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-15963239942028191702012-03-23T10:06:14.262+00:002012-03-23T10:06:14.262+00:00What do you mean by best case scenario, Cate Campb...What do you mean by best case scenario, Cate Campbell substitutes for Eamon Sullivan ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-1123980486044021482012-03-22T23:12:00.698+00:002012-03-22T23:12:00.698+00:00Everyone is not scared to go out.
Magnussen screwe...Everyone is not scared to go out.<br />Magnussen screwed them over and planted this idea that you have to go out a bit slower to come back strong.aswimfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-89312640148750661462012-03-22T22:49:32.655+00:002012-03-22T22:49:32.655+00:00I think we saw Australia set an unprecedented stan...I think we saw Australia set an unprecedented standard in terms of times swum at trials. To the extent where the top four added times is faster than any trials ever in history, minus France in 2009 (It still baffles me how they lost that relay, they must've had a 3second adv going in, and couldve chopped a second off the WR).<br /><br />I think its only because what we saw in Australia that these times swum today were "subpar". The times that were swum today were<br /><br />1) significantly faster than last year's result. Last year, Gilot won in essentially the same time he swam today. Meynard and Agnel followed with 48.5highs and Bernard was being his usual inconsistent self. The aggregate top 4 times is about half a second faster than last year's.<br /><br />2) significantly faster than Australia was at their trials last year. Magnussen won last year in 48.29 and was followed by 3 48.6 and 48.7. On paper, that team was slightly weaker than France going into Shanghai. And it deservedly would've been the case had Bernard performed to his potential. The French relay was definitely capable of a time around 310.7 last year.<br /><br />Any who, where does this put the current team France. I think we're going to see major improvements from at least Agnel (stronger than Meynard '11) and Leveaux (probably as good or better than Stravius '11). Gilot is a consistent relay swimmer, and Lefert, although untested, is probably a wiser choice than Bernard. Let's hope he can continue to drop time. My view is that, although this team is stronger than France '11 WC, without Stravius and Meynard (2 very reliable, young, backhalf swimmers), this team is a ) not going to have backup if the top 4 fails in health, b) not going to be the best team France can assemble.<br /><br />Because of all these reasons, I can still see this team drop to 3:10low, and under the best case scenario match Team Australia if Australia swam the relay today, but I highly doubt this team can win.john26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-41210240591738989832012-03-22T20:40:29.523+00:002012-03-22T20:40:29.523+00:00Winning time is 48.02 by Agnel and the rest of the...Winning time is 48.02 by Agnel and the rest of the fields were lingering into middle and upper for 48.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-35699132946707442012-03-22T20:38:10.371+00:002012-03-22T20:38:10.371+00:00The results are out and it's not looking good ...The results are out and it's not looking good for french sprinter in 100 free men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-34548366720170189222012-03-22T17:43:41.467+00:002012-03-22T17:43:41.467+00:00The French 100m squad are definitely faster than l...The French 100m squad are definitely faster than last year, but it seems that everyone was scared to go out for it. Gilot was the fastest one out, but was still only 22.99. Magnussen won a huge psychological victory here.<br />Advantage: Australiajohn26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-67678768732629883942012-03-21T17:39:15.022+00:002012-03-21T17:39:15.022+00:00I am worried about France's relay prospects wi...I am worried about France's relay prospects without William Meynard....john26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-82709914083000465492012-03-20T23:40:44.316+00:002012-03-20T23:40:44.316+00:00Also, Stravius makes it sound like he underperform...Also, Stravius makes it sound like he underperformed due to pressure, and not that he is in bad form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-55598638958035946222012-03-20T23:20:34.874+00:002012-03-20T23:20:34.874+00:00As I understand it, only 2 relay only swimmers (pe...As I understand it, only 2 relay only swimmers (per relay) can be selected, so if he Agnel gets top 2 in the hundred in your scenario Stravius has no chance (unless he qualifies in fly). If he does lose to Manadou, he would need Gilot, Meynard, Bernard, and Bousquet to all qualify individually. If Lefert gets the 7 spot instead, I think (I could be completely wrong here) that he would only need three of those guys to get individual berths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-74030054435151383202012-03-20T22:02:15.291+00:002012-03-20T22:02:15.291+00:00impressive night for France.impressive night for France.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-45918286253152639802012-03-20T21:51:51.116+00:002012-03-20T21:51:51.116+00:00He went 1:47.45 in EDF 2011 according to the Swimn...He went 1:47.45 in EDF 2011 according to the Swimnews rankings. So, technically, he can be pickedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-15686519349098073212012-03-20T21:37:45.998+00:002012-03-20T21:37:45.998+00:00Concerning Stravius' participation if I unders...Concerning Stravius' participation if I understand the French document above he can be considered if he managed to swim less than 1:47.82 (Olympic Qualifying Time, I am assuming this is the TSO of the French document) in one the FINA official qualification meets.<br />Les championnats de France 2012 de Dunkerque<br />Les championnats du monde 2011 de Shanghai<br />Les Universiades 2011 de Shenzhen<br />Les championnats du monde Juniors 2011 de Lima<br />Les championnats d’Europe Juniors 2011 de Belgrade<br />Les championnats de France 2011 de Strasbourg<br />L’Open EDF 2011 de Paris<br />Les championnats de France Jeunes 2011 de Dijon<br />Le meeting international 2012 de Nancy<br /><br />No idea if this is the case (He swam must faster in Shanghai but only in the 800)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-47616671256615741372012-03-20T21:35:23.646+00:002012-03-20T21:35:23.646+00:00I can't help be think that Agnel could be 402 ...I can't help be think that Agnel could be 402 or faster in the 400m if he had wanted to pursue it. His progression curve is very similar to Thorpe'sL 346low, followed by 343.8 at trials the next year (Ian followed it up with a 341.8 later and a 341.3 the next year). We're missing out on an individual who, could definitely challenge Park and Sun, maybe not this year, but in the not too distant future.<br /><br />You've got to wonder what type of 100m performance he must be ready to deliver to forsake such greatness. He is one of the most talented swimmers in the last decade.<br /><br />http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/sport/article/natation-chpts-de-france-le-sprint-du-100-m-nage-libre-des-mercredi-7745730312<br />some interesting French insight into Magnussen's swim. Including Jeremy Stravius and Bernard's coach, Denis Augin describing Magnussen's swim as an earthquake in Dunkirk and the swim beeing "untouchable" for now.<br /><br />Also, judging by Stravius' 100back time, I doubt his chances at a sub49 in the 100free. I'm not sure how this works, but if Agnel and Meynard win the individual, followed by Gilot, Leveaux, Bernard,Mallet, Manadou and Stravius 8th. Does the fact that Leveaux and Mallet already being selected for the 4x2, mean that Stravius could still be chosen as one of 4 for the 4x1?john26noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-58788512679034863672012-03-20T19:09:08.733+00:002012-03-20T19:09:08.733+00:00I still like Stravius's chances in the 400 fre...I still like Stravius's chances in the 400 free relay, meaning he can also swim the 800 if he gets on the team. Two relay only spots are allowed per relay. If Gilot and Meynard take the 100 spots, and Agnel, Leveaux, Bousquet (in the 50), Lefert, and Mallet are already accounted for, and with the second 50 spot potentially Bernard's, Stravius could easily slip in there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-81815464577196868162012-03-20T18:58:03.402+00:002012-03-20T18:58:03.402+00:00Apparently, Stravius can still make the team (only...Apparently, Stravius can still make the team (only on the relay) if the French Federation decides to take more than 4 swimmers for the 4*200 relay. I really hope they would do so because I don't think that the other performers (except for Agnel of course) are able to do a 1'45"40 in London.moamoanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250367211605373057.post-42995617365389224312012-03-20T18:19:59.109+00:002012-03-20T18:19:59.109+00:00Yep... that was written before Stravius' 100m ...Yep... that was written before Stravius' 100m Back. With only the 100m Free left for him, it looks like he won't make the team, which I think is a huge loss for France. Even with their strong results today, his 1:45.40 leg from Shanghai would be useful on any team.Speed Endurancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14365062789141117207noreply@blogger.com